SULTAN MAYORAL CANDIDATE TOLSON INTERVIEW

(held Sat., Aug. 23, 2003)

 

WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE?

Over the last year, various contacts with various people in town. I was encouraged to consider running. Through those contacts and observations of what has happened within our city, I began to investigate and try to determine if that was feasible. It's not something I was aggressive chasing after, not something I was really interested in. It came down to seeing who would file. And subsequently through that week, seeing no one else filing, another people contacting me wanting to know if and when, and encouraging me to do so. It just came down to, at that point in time when I filed, there was no other opponent [to Mayor Rowe], and that was not an option. And so I filed actually over the phone and faxed in the application to the county.

DURING ROWE'S TERM…

Looking back over Mayor Rowe's term in office, if you had been a council member at that time, what action or recommendations would you have made to try to improve the bad press Sultan has received, and be specific, if you can.

Boy, action… Can you restate that again so I can hear it in its context? [question restated]. Some of the decisions as they were made, try to bring them more to light. The areas of bad press that we've received, specifically with development decisions -- Willow Run, for instance -- challenge in some way, shape or form by whatever means necessary, what is apparent at that point in time to do something that was a unilateral decision, and try and make it work. At that point in time, no one understood fully the implications of what it is, but whomever takes office in the future is going to have to make some very difficult, and unfortunately, some very expensive decisions for the city to rectify those things.

In the past, relationship between council and mayor has been strained, I think due to large fact because of communication that has either been non-existent or perceived on both parts, by both parties, to be -- how can I word this? [sighs] Self-serving? And that's the best way I can put it.

I wish, walking through all of this as a resident of Sultan, has been very difficult in my contact with my peers around the state. I have been always reminded of what's been shared around and communicated around our state and the [unintelligible] Sultan's been in. And it's been difficult. And what's said is, is Sultan is a great place. It's a beautiful setting. You can't ask for a more spectacular place to live. I just think that if we can work together and make the right choices, Sultan will be, I would like to think, a spectacular jewel within the county and within the state.

If you'd been mayor during that same time period, what would you have done differently than Mayor Rowe?

The sign-off on the Willow Run lot changes, it's a real eye-opener to see that. To me, there are, for some people who purchased those homes, there is some responsibility for those people who didn't involve an attorney themselves who bought things on paper that hadn't been exposed for what they were buying. A little expense ahead of time having things checks out, I think would have saved them a lot of heartache now. Although, there has to be responsible for those deceived and duped buyers, as well as those that signed off on that. That's something that I think should not have happened.

I think also, too, we should, as a community -- or as mayor -- that the cutting back of the budgetary needs of the police department and how that has taken place in some of the…the difficulties that have existed between our mayor and our chief of police, which have never been publicly clarified, I think those things have been a detriment to our community. We need a community that's safe for everyone to live in. And to randomly remove things, to take away and to tear apart simply over a cup of coffee…down at one of the local eating establishments, I think it was wrong.

I recognize that we have had a loss in a financial basis as the result of the impact of the Initiative 695 and others, where we lost a million dollars. However, I think it is important and will be important for whoever takes office next, one, to go through the budget and systematically identify and rectify some of the accounting procedures that we have. And let everybody on the council know and let every department person know who's impacted by the city's finances, know where we stand. Those are things that we don't have. We don't have financial projections that come out every month, so department heads know, "Okay, this is where our budget is, this is where we have money, this is where we don't have money." We need to make sure. And that the loopholes that exist within our tax code as a city, are closed, whereas businesses who operate within the city limits of Sultan are paying their taxes. And right now there are businesses operating that are not paying their taxes. They are not being collected. They're going elsewhere. And it's wrong.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

What percentage of the required new or improved infrastructure costs required for new development should be borne by current taxpayers versus the developer?

Wow. Our current infrastructure is in need of a lot of upgrading. Note, First Street. City water-sewer issues there, road issues. There are other sewer lines around town that need to be replaced. Those types of things are going to have to be borne by the city at large, because they are part of the city in and of itself. New and current development should take care of their own development, and the enlargement of needed facilities as in the sewage treatment plant. I think what's happened is, is Sultan's been…caught in the urban growth management system, whereas all of the development that can take place in Monroe pretty much has taken place, and the overflow is coming towards us, whether we like it or not, whether we've realized it or not. Ten years ago the projections for Sultan were substantially less than what we are today. When they built the new sewer system out there, they had no idea Sultan would be this big this fast. I think, not necessarily poor planning, but short-sighted planning. In the reality of what's taking place within our state, it's going to cause us all a great burden. Now specifically, as far as taking care of the infrastructure within the community, I do not feel dropping mitigation fees or hook-up fees for new development to encourage new development, is wise. As a matter of fact, I think it's foolish and short-sighted. Somebody has to pay for it. We need to take care of what's existing within our city, update that, make it safe. Those decisions have to be made soon. Otherwise, we are really going to find ourselves in a great negative financial hole. And we do need to take advantage of it. We have almost the completion of the water/sewer going east, in those areas. Development out there is going to facilitate, I think, a good possibility of growth for business, but yet with that we have to have the responsibility to make the decisions that affect us all as a community. We just can't say, "Okay, bring in all these businesses. Let them have it [the facilities]," and go for it and not realize the impact that's going to be down here on this little sewage treatment plant.

Do you consider new housing construction to be economic development?

Not really. But people need to live somewhere. And with that, economic development to me means more jobs, and not necessarily just jobs selling hamburgers at the local fast foot establishments, but jobs, you know -- Sultan as a whole, from my research and doing demographics -- Sultan has a median income of only about $27,000-28,000 per household. So getting jobs out here, we have a high unemployment rate in the Valley, but yet you look around us and you don't see, I think, a friendly environment for bringing in businesses, one, because the city in and of itself has been in chaos for so long, businesses don't want to deal with us. And there is going to be give and take with that. But economic development is something where we develop the restructure -- How can I word this right? We have to reinvent Sultan for the business community to come in.

Is there ever enough economic development?

We're limited, literally by our geographical setting. We don't have all that much area to grow in. We don't have all that much area to expand in. Not only is the river running through the middle of our town, we also have the railroad going through the middle of our town. We have flood plain issues on the south side of the river, so growth in that direction is almost a given not to happen . Growth east of town up on the three-lane area is limited by the geographical boundaries that we have as a town. I'm not sure what could happen even west of town. So our growth is going to have to be planned out. If it's not, it's going to end up being a sprawl like -- I don't want to say the community, 'cause they could get mad at me -- but just your typical strip mall runs --

[Storm interjects: "Monroe?"]

To me, personally? Off the main drag of Highway 2, I think Monroe has done a phenomenal job in their neighborhood community aspect. You go down Lewis Street and you see the plant strips and you see the setbacks off the road and you see the subdivisions that are back there and you see the parks that are there, and everything's identified and spaced out. You know, there are going to be developments like the Fryelands. That's the trend. But yet, at the same time, because we have a main highway running through the middle of our town, it is going to be a difficult thing for development. And coming back to that, I think there should be -- you know, I know there's a lot of eggs being placed in the basket of a theme-driven conversion here in town -- that would be a good thing, but for people to come here, where are they gonna park? How is that going to take place? We've very small. And yet there has to be some sort of giving mechanism that puts all these things to work together to where we can plan, not for just the next five to ten or even twenty years, but for the next 50 years, because of the where we're situated and what we have to develop.

CHANGES TO LAWS

If you had total power and control over all existing laws, what one law would you abolish?

What one law? It's a strange question. Law maintains for us how we operate, and I think gives us all a clear sense of where the boundaries are. I'm not into abolishing laws. I mean, for me, I used to work with kids, teenagers, and you go to a school campus and it's amazing how kids on playgrounds, if there are fences around playgrounds, the kids play free. They have a great time. They're out running around. You take away fences from playgrounds and you see kids huddled toward the center of a playground because they don't know where the boundaries are. We need to know where the boundaries are. All of us need to operate within those boundaries and guidelines. That's a psychological profile. They thought that having fences around playgrounds was restricting to kids and they wanted to free them up. They took the fences down and they saw what happened. They put the fences back up.

Alternatively, if you had the total power to pass any new law, what would it be?

I think we have plenty of laws. I think as far as passing them, that, to me, isn't the issue. I think enforcing what we have, is. There are plenty of laws on the books, from every extreme. I have my own RCWs back from 1996 with my 1997 supplement. I'm due to get a new set. But, yet, through all of these things they try to address every situation. There are plenty of laws that are out there. The key for us is to realize that the laws and should apply to everyone; not a select few, not a minority to be taken advantage of in that regard, but they apply to everybody. And it's for the good of the people, and not just for while we're here, but for the generations that follow us. We need to follow those that are there. Some may seem inconvenient, but yet they're designed for the purpose of what generations are to follow us.

FUTURE GOALS

What's the top priority goal you'd like to accomplish during your term if elected

Top priority goal, one, to open up the city in regards to information to the community. Whereas one of the first things that I desire to do when I take office, is to take and have a complete, comprehensive outside audit done of the City's financial situation. And then take all of that information, put it into plain English for people, including those of us on the council and in leadership, to understand where the money is, where it's coming from, what the projections are, and what budget we actually have to work with. We need to make those choices. Then based upon information that everyone understands. Unfortunately at this point in time, even those accountants that I've talked with, have a difficult time comprehending Sultan's annual report from 2002. Especially an opening line that says... [he digs out the annual report] "The City uses single-entry, cash-basis accounting, which is a departure from generally accepted accounting principles." By that, tat opening statement -- which is legal to do, you don't have to abide by general accounting principles -- but single entry-type format, I, I… there's a lot of power vested in one person. And whereby, I think the city has to come to that place, you know, talking about making the books open, we need to bring the city -- I don't think there's been any malfeasance with the money. The people just don't know where the money is, that need to understand when they go into negotiations, whether it be the union, the police union or the city workers union, those types of things, I think we need to open up the books and say, Okay, this is where we're at. If we're in a deficit situation where we have lost revenue from I-695 of a million dollars, this is what we're faced with. We need to make the tough choices to say, Okay, we only have so much to work with. You can't get blood out of a turnip, there's only so many pieces of the pie that we can work with and this is what we have to do. And so with that, we've got to have a clear understanding across the board so that there isn't this…suspicious attitude that's floating out there, not only on council or within the employees of the city, but within the public in general. I think it is important that this be cleared up. That's one of the first things that I would intend to do in that position as mayor.

We need to reinvest in our public service. We've gone from 13 officers on our police form down to seven. We've lost our school resource officer. That came about as a result of lost external grant monies that were not filed for because the person who needed to file for them was unable to because they were on leave. There's certain things that took place, there are some monies available to reinstate that. But we're operating in such a timeframe where if we don't have officers in place, we're not only going to be in a place where we don't have coverage for emergencies, but that's going to place the general public, as well as the officers, at risk. We need to do that. We need to make sure that we have a police force that is able to take care of the needs that are before us as a growing community. We are beyond where we were expected to be in growth and yet we have reduced our police force by 40%. And we have to pay for it. We gotta figure out how to. And we have to make those choices. We also need to invest in other areas as well within the community.

I've made it a point to talk with those who are in leadership positions, the Chief of Police, the Superintendent of Schools, I've tried to touch base with the Fire Chief, to find out how it's working, how it's not working; where they would like to see improvement, whether it be in communication, whether it be in funding support. I've heard some good things in regards to relationship with the City. And then I've heard some things that aren't so good. I'm one of those people that likes to talk with people and build communication. One, because oftentimes we sit and don't communicate, and then we assume. An assumption's the lowest form of communication. And we can't just sit in our offices and assume, "This is how they feel. This is how they are being taken care of." If people have a greater understanding of, "This is how much money we have. This is what we've got as income," I think people can work together better rather than saying, "Well, somebody's getting a bigger piece of the pie than I am, and I'm hamstrung right now because something else is happening, or somebody else's agenda is more important." I personally believe that everybody's agenda in this community is important. And that's why the mayor and the city council must represent the community as a whole. We have to grow forward as a community.

If you had a Sim-City-type software program and you could just "paint" Sultan's future five years from now, what would it look like?

Five years… I think the comprehensive plan that's being developed right now needs to… I think there needs to be more public input on that. But then with that, how do you encourage people to comment who don't want to comment? I think a lot of people take this from a perspective that, "You know what? I have a house here in Sultan, but I work elsewhere. So my involvement here is just to sleep." And that's the way Sultan has become for a lot of people. A lot of them have become disconnected with the city because of that. But in five years what should it look like…?

[Storm clarifies the question -- what would Sultan physically look like? Assume you have the required financing and tools and can do whatever you want.]

I would see Highway 2 bypassing the downtown section of Sultan. I would see a greater degree of investment within the businesses that would exist, so it would then become more of a village kind of a setting. Where you would have a center of town where it's not a combat to get on the next street, 'cause you got cars lined up from here past Gold Bar trying to get through and you can't get anyplace. You may wish to edit this, because I'll be grandiose in my plans here --

Storm: It's all right. It's your fantasy.

This concept of a theme, such as what Leavenworth have done, they began 30 years ago. But you can see what has happened over that timeframe. They are a self-sufficient economic juggernaut. What can we do? We're on the way to Leavenworth, how can we have people stop, and yet desire to be involved? It'd be great if we could move the railroad tracks on the other side of the river. I don't know if that's even feasibly possible, and yet at the same time using - the Sultan of history was shaped not by cowboys and Indian situations. Logging played a predominant part of Sultan as a community, as did the railroad. Stevens, who helped design the pass, left here and went to do the Panama Canal. That's where he went. We have a great railroad history here in Sultan. And so with that, why not make contact with the railroad company, Burlington Northern, and say, "Where do you have a railroad museum?" An interactive information place for kids to come. And I'm talking on a grander scale than the idea for traveler's park, on 8, 10, 15 acres in that regard, where you would actually have a round-about, where you would railroad engines, where you would have people come to it, an information center -- make it a destination point for people. And yet at the same time we have what's declared to be the Number One Steelhead river in the state. The Skykomish River is considered to be the best fishing river in the state for Steelhead. And we do very little to take advantage of that notoriety, whether from the publications that are out there from the old Chamber of Commerce, or even signage. I've tried to think of things from the perception of a diamond or a jewel that we have here, or the thought of "touch the sky." Take advantage of the shuttle relationship that we have with Stevens Pass for skiing, build on that. Those people that come here to go skiing and leave their cars at a parking area to come back to, do a lot of shopping here in town. They consume a lot of donuts from the donut place over here. It's infamous for that. Let's create some of those businesses that support that and encourage that. Even to the point -- I used to live in the Chehalis-Centralia area, and the outlet stores have really assisted in the growth of that area. Phenomenal destination point for people. They have tried to work the benefit of the highway as well as its proximity between Portland and Seattle. But for here, the thought process of working with the history of logging and the railroad, even the fishing industry that we have here, you could create something that would be special. If it's even feasible to move the highway north, which would be an interesting scenario and has been on the docket since the late 60's, but we also need to create more access across the river here, some how, some way, for people going up and down the valley east-west, because it is a nightmare on the weekends, on Friday night, on Sunday, and when there is a tragedy on the highway. But the bypass would cure a great bit of that. You would maintain the road that we have here along the river. That's not going to go away, and it would be come the scenic route that I think it used to be, and allow the semis, trucks and all of the stuff to go around us, however that might be possible.

We have to look further than just the next five or ten years. And the thing is, is if we create the destination place here, the bypass will not kill the businesses, but it'll be another river and will flood in here. It will also, then, give us the opportunity to open us some areas for other development and enhancement for the downtown area.

[There was a brief interjection by Storm regarding her experience in Boulder, Colorado where they created a beautiful destination point and community gathering area by creating a tree-and garden-lined walking promenade from 3-4 downtown blocks. The proposal creating temporary but passionate acrimony by some businesses but it has resulted in significantly increasing both the then-existing, and new, businesses, despite the initial objections to the concept.]

Oh, yeah! "You're going to kill me! You're going to kill my business!" And that's the same thing that happened in downtown Seattle when they did that at the Westlake Mall. But you know what? Those are the prime pieces of business location now. People are afraid of the unknown. And you can't blame them with that. Sometimes self preservation is a phenomenal driving force. And yet, what we have here, we can't expand. It doesn't make financial sense to try and expand the freeway here. There is so much - it would literally choke off. It would begin to look almost like the Alaskan Viaduct in Seattle. It would just become a thruway and you wouldn't be able to get on or off no matter what. Nobody would even stop. We want to create a destination where people would want to come. We want to make a place that is not only attractive, but there's a sense of serenity. People from the Seattle area are screaming for a place that's peaceful. And we're within an hour's drive. And if you turn the middle of downtown into a four-lane, which I can't even imagine, with the railroad right there, unless we have the Sultan Viaduct.

I am not against development. People have to go somewhere.

WHY SHOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR YOU?

You know, I've answered a lot of and most people have asked me, "Are you crazy? Why should I vote for you?" I've lived in Sultan 7 years. How long will I be here? I don't know. My son's in high school. He loves it. He's having a great time. He's in the marching band. He's in the drumline. He play soccer. They went to State last year. He was so pumped with that. My other kids, my two daughters, are home-schooled. One will probably be getting involved part-time within the high school this year. It has taken awhile for us to feel comfortable here in Sultan, but Sultan is home. This is where we are. If I am only willing to complain about what has happened and not willing to get involved, then I'm a hypocrite. And so I've come to the place where, if I want to make a difference, if I care about where I live, running for office, whether someone votes for me or not, is making a statement, not only to the community but to myself as well, because I want to make a difference here. I want to see Sultan become more than just the blip in the road or the complaining stop light on people's trek of highways here. So why should people vote for me? All I can say is I'm willing. I will try and do my best. Will I make everybody happy? Absolutely not, because I'm not that stupid to make that assumption. But I'm willing to get involved. I'm willing to make the difficult choices. I want to open things up so that everybody is familiar with what's going, what's happening so that we can all work together, as a community, for the betterment of our community, for Sultan's future.

TELL ME ONE INTERESTING FACT OR "THING" ABOUT YOU -- AN UNUSUAL HOBBY, A QUIRK OF YOURS, WHATEVER -- THAT YOU THINK PEOPLE DON'T KNOW BUT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT YOU.

I enjoy the outdoors, hunting and fishing. I also enjoy collecting the related hunting and fishing items from pre-1940, i.e., bamboo fishing rods, reels, wooden plugs, lures, pocket knives, old advertising, etc..